Daniel Shea Interview

“Actually choosing to try to be an artist as a terrible idea. Nobody should do it.

It’s really fucking stupid. It’s like one of the stupidest things you could do with your life.

And it’s really hard. And you’re an idiot if you think it’s a good idea, or that it’s going to be easy.”

Well, I guess it’s kind of sad that my friend Daniel decided to ruin his life through art.

You’ve probably seen Daniel’s photographs, although you may not realize it. He’s done plenty of high profile journalistic and commercial work – most notably photographing Barack Obama for Fast Company.

And – although many people would kill to have the types of job offers that Daniel regularly gets, he turns most of them down to focus on his artistic practice.

Why does he choose to turn down lucrative photo shoots that will be seen by millions of people? To make a photography book that will only have 1000 copies printed, of course.

Check out this conversation to learn:

  • How to face the embarrassment and fear that comes when you create something – and how to put it out into the world anyway.
  • How Daniel chooses to balance commercial photography with his artistic practice – and what skills and frameworks are universal across the different modalities
  • How to justify “selling out” to your younger, punker self
  • How to balance the tension between having free, unstructured “creative time” with the demands to meet deadlines, respond to emails, and have a schedule

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Check out more from Daniel and get a copy of 43-15 10th Street

Show Notes

  • [2:34] Embarrassment over being confronted with “the early work” and relics from the past due to having to clean out old stuff from your parents’ house
  • [8:55] Feeling awkward and hating your work – and putting it out into the world anyway
  • [16:39] So, what was the most embarrassing art from your past?
  • [20:17] What is the tension between having an artistic, a journalistic, and a commercial photography practice?
  • [26:03] How would you justify selling out” and “commercialism” to your younger self?
  • [43:34] Do you have any practices relative to improving your skill as an artist?
  • [49:07] How do you collect and curate images for a cohesive work – specifically relative to 43-35 10th street?
  • [01:02:06] The ineffectiveness of art as a medium for communicating a specific message
  • [01:11:54] The influence of punk and DIY principles on later entrepreneurship and creative behavior – and disastrous early touring experiences
  • [01:17:42] The tension between being creative – and actually having to follow-up with people, meet deadlines, and have to-do lists

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Cal Wysocki (Fulcrum Education Solutions)

Cal Wysocki is the founder of Fulcrum Education Solutions, a company dedicated to improving the quality of instruction in our schools.

As South Loop Strength & Conditioning has grown, we’ve found it more and more important to re-focus on the quality of the product that we’re offering in our facility – and the main arbiters of that quality are our coaches who are working with our members on a daily basis.

We’ve begun to build several systems for continuing education, dialogue, and feedback with our coaches – and we’ve seen massive changes in what’s happening in our classes. Logistics run more smoothly, workout explanations are more clear, and our coaches do a much better job of handling the social dynamics of delivering coaching and correction to members who may be frustrated, distracted, or confused – without running into nearly as much pushback.

In this discussion with Cal, we focus on the strategies and tactics that he uses to elevate the processes by which schools improve their own teachers. This is not a simple discussion of a few “quick tips.” Instead, Cal is thinking in multi-year processes surrounding building trust with staff, getting quick wins for teachers in the classroom, building trust with students, developing consistency in order to change the dynamic of feedback in a school’s culture, and integrating all of this with long-term professional development strategies.

As a person who is concerned with the quality of coaching going on in my gym on a daily basis, I found this discussion invaluable – and we’ve immediately implemented some of the ideas from this conversation at SLSC. From the bigger picture of a person who is concerned with the quality of education and the pitfalls of misaligned incentives in the school system, this conversation gave me a better foundation with which to think through the problems that we encounter as we try to improve the quality of our public schools.

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Check out more from Cal and Fulcrum Education Solutions

Show Notes

  • [2:13] Teachers having meltdowns and abandoning children due to improper feedback
  • [6:36] When tactics fail – why building trust before implementing changes is paramount
  • [8:54] What is the process that Fulcrum Education Solutions uses to work with schools? And how do you actually improve teaching performance?
  • [17:30] How do you build trust and cut through skepticism with teachers since you’re an outside consultant”?”
  • [22:37] What are some of the typical quick wins” that you see work well for teachers to immediately improve the quality fo their instruction?”
  • [28:42] Using role-playing to practice skills of classroom management with teachers.
  • [36:00] What is the assessment process for figuring out what a teacher needs to work on – and what a school needs to work on asa whole?
  • [45:47] The nuts and bolts of the observation and coaching process for improving teacher performance.
  • [59:28] How do you coach teachers to handle students who are disruptive or who push back?
  • [1:04:06] Creating systems for deliering feedback effectively to create behavior change – and avoiding resentment and mistrust
  • [1:16:46] The many parallels between the fitness industry and education consulting.

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  • “I’ve come to a frightening conclusion that I am the decisive element in the classroom. It’s my personal approach that creates the climate. It’s my daily mood that makes the weather. As a teacher, I possess a tremendous power to make a child’s life miserable or joyous. I can be a tool of torture or an instrument of inspiration. I can humiliate or heal. In all situations, it is my response that decides whether a crisis will be escalated or de-escalated and a child humanized or dehumanized.”
    -Haim G. Ginott

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Carleen Matthews (3x CrossFit Games Athlete)

Carleen Matthews is a multiple time individual CrossFit Games competitor. It’s always interesting to hear how people competing at the highest level in a sport think and operate on a daily basis – but Carleen’s story has another layer.

She has a history of addiction as well as eating disorder, and this gives her insight into the mental battles people fight underneath the surface that we don’t always see.

Carleen owns and operates CrossFit St. Helens in Oregon, and also runs a program out of her affiliate specifically for people who are on the path to recovery from addiction.

Through some enterprising members and her connections in the local community, Carleen was able to get government help to fund this program. If you’re interested in working with the recovering population in your area, Carleen almost certainly has some insight in terms of how to set up a program, hurdles you may face, and how to potentially get help from your local government. Direct message her on Instagram if this is something you’re interested in: @teamcarleen

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Show Notes

  • [01:35] How was coaching today? And first CrossFit workouts.
  • [05:38] Steady improvement in the sport of CrossFit every year
  • [09:58] Finding motivation for the daily grind of training – and re-evaluating her why” after finally making it to the CrossFit Games”
  • [19:20] Turning focusing on the journey” into more than just an inspirational quote”
  • [25:39] Getting coaching on proper mindset for competition
  • [31:38] How do you get into the zone” to compete?”
  • [36:09] Carleen’s personal battles with addiction and the recovery process – On suffering and being comfortable with the uncomfortable
  • [45:40] How do you coach people who are in recovery?
  • [58:13] How CrossFit St. Helens developed its program for working with people in recovery
  • [01:02:40] Recovering from a neck injury at the 2017 CrossFit Games

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James Pligge of Harm’s Way

From the above photo, you may think that James is an intimidating and frightening man.

But, it turns out that he is one of the weirdest and funniest people I know.

It’s difficult to appropriately categorize and convey all the disparate traits that exist in this enigma of a man, and hopefully this interview does his character justice.

Check out this discussion to learn about James’s long-standing fascination with Fear Factory, the process of stealing riffs for Harm’s Way songs, and how he trains for powerlifting while injured and on tour.

And check out Harm’s Way’s excellent Metal Blade debut “Posthuman” right here.

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Show Notes

  • [2:15] Being recognized by students while substitute teaching – and denying it
  • [10:19] The influence of metropolitan Chicago’s melting pot of extreme music
  • [15:52] Learning about bands, digging in the crates, and becoming Youth Crew James
  • [24:26] Passing the torch from one generation of extreme music to the next
  • [31:04] Meeting Billy Milano from the Stormtroopers of Death
  • [34:27] The writing of “Posthuman” – writing riffs, writing transitions, collaborations amongst band members, and how to write songs when you can’t actually pay guitar that well
  • [47:38] A treatise on stealing riffs
  • [57:38] A disagreement on nu-metal
  • [1:03:23] Training while touring – a change in mindset from maximizing performance to maintaining strength while working through injuries

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Backtrack
Title Fight
Morbid Angel
Burzum
Slayer
Death
Famous Hulbert
Fat Wreck Chords
Metallica
Record Breakers
Gorilla Biscuits
Youth of Today
Minor Threat
Bane
Fireside Bowl
Angelfire
Soulseek
Audiogalaxy
Kazaa
Future
Hewhocorrupts
Kung-Fu Rick
Empire Productions
Weekend Nachos
Soulfly
Max Cavalera
Sepultura – “Chaos AD”
Billy Milano
M.O.D.
Madball
Cro-Mags
Peter Gabriel
Hate Force
Like Rats
Godflesh
Black Sabbath
Mercyful Fate
Triptykon
Celtic Frost
Kid Rock
Celtic Frost – Os Abysmi vel Daath
Jacob Bannon
Primitive Future: Tom Warrior Interview
Discharge
Battalion of Saints
Motörhead
Are You Morbid?: Thomas Fischer
Fear Factory
Slipknot
Prong
Machine Head
Iron Maiden
At the Gates
Insane Clown Posse – “The Great Milenko”
Biohazard
Jared Skinner
American Barbell Club
The Reverse Hyper
Jesse Norris
Peter Thiel
Joe Rogan Experience #1066 – Mel Gibson & Dr. Neil Riordan
Longmont Potion Castle
The Blood Brothers
The Locust
YMCA

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Austin O’Neal and Megan Benzik of OPEX Athlete

They’re all grown up.

Austin and Megan have both spent significant amounts of time at South Loop Strength & Conditioning as both athletes and coaches, and – last year after competing at the Central Regional – they’ve moved out to Scottsdale, Arizona to be part of OPEX‘s sponsored athlete program.

The goal of this program is to allow athletes to train full-time – and not have to worry about coaching classes, working a day job, or running from gym to gym throughout the day. Getting better in training is all about maximizing your ability to respond and adapt to stressors – which means minimizing the stress in your life outside of the gym.

Check this episode out to learn how Megan and Austin have learned to trust the coaching process (and avoid self-doubt and constant questioning of what they’re doing), what they do to prioritize their recovery outside of the gym, and how they approach the mental grind of training on a daily basis.

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Show Notes

  • [3:12] What is the OPEX Athlete program? What does it look like to professionalize the process of training for the sport of CrossFit?
  • [7:45] Transitioning from a remote coaching relationship to working with a coach on the floor – and how to accept constant feedback and what could be perceived as criticism
  • [14:06] The dynamics of being around so many high level athletes. How do you stop yourself from just constantly doing more training?
  • [24:30] Balancing external stressors and finding your own personal “why” – and what do Austin and Megan actually think about during tough sessions?
  • [30:50] A slight SD card error – and how to be consistent over tie. What personality traits correlate with maximizing time spent outside of the gym, and how do you make decisions on what to prioritize as far as recovery and stress management?
  • [38:53] What is the biggest learning you’ve had from having a coach watching you on the gym floor?
  • [42:30] Competing for Instagram followers
  • [45:51] What does prepping for the Open look like? How do you maintain a culture with a healthy competitiveness amongst so many elite athletes without them starting to bicker and cut each other down?
  • [56:00] How do you handle the pressure to succeed during the Open – and how do you prepare emotionally for the stress that will come during the Open?

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Angelo Sisco of O’Hare CrossFit

“An alpha hippie is a tree-hugger who can rip out the tree and smash you with it, too.”

I’m not huge on inspirational quotes, but I think that quote has inspired me.

Angelo is one of the most interesting people I know – which is saying a lot because I know a lot of freaks (and you may have heard some of them on the podcast).

We first met way back in 2011. I was a new CrossFit coach and he had recently opened O’Hare CrossFit. Since then, we’ve both continued to learn and soak up information – which is pretty fascinating to see from two totally different personality types.

Angelo has built O’Hare CrossFit into a thriving business, which is much, much harder than it seems in this market, and he was also head of coaching for Barbell Business/Barbell Logic – which means he was overseeing the coaching for 100s of gyms.

Check out this conversation to learn what bizarre depths Angelo will sink to in order to keep learning, how he finds mentors, how he changed how he changed his on mindset and relationship with conflict despite having tons of success, how he helps business owners prioritize what they need to work on, and why strange men harass him because of his chest.

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Show Notes

  • [2:55] Angelo showed up to a kipping pull-up clinic at Atlas CrossFit that was intended to be just for members. Why put yourself out there and go into situations that you don’t totally belong? How did Angelo learn about CrossFit and training methodologies when there wasn’t a ton of information online?
  • [7:35] Having a bootleg pizza business selling pizza outside of bar – making really good friends with everyone and making sure that relationships are not one-sided
  • [11:58] Starting to train people in the “early adopter” days of CrossFit – and why people skills have become much more important over time as the marketplace changes
  • [15:11] Tipping points in the growth of O’Hare CrossFit over time – how becoming a better listener and unlearning emotional habits that had led to a certain level of success were both crucial to long-term business development
  • [20:13] Becoming an alpha hippie – “An alpha hippie is a tree-hugger who can rip out the tree and smash you with it, too”
  • [27:08] Finding a mentor in Jason Leydon – Taking a trip to Milford and staying at a seedy motel,
    and relentlessly following through on advice given
  • [36:23] Jason Leydon’s fear of male nudity
  • [40:38] How to prioritize areas of focus for business coaching clients – aligning your perfect day with your vision for your business and making sure that your product is good enough to achieve the level of success that you want
  • [50:20] Creating a specific client experience in a gym – “People are coming here for an emotion”

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Task Management and Prioritization – A Soliloquy on Getting Things Done

If you can’t tell, that picture above is me hanging loose with my audiobook version of “Getting Things Done” by David Allen.

I’m obviously someone who is interested in and obsessed with systems, so, when I first read this book in probably 2009, I immediately implemented many of the strategies and tactics recommended.

This was relatively easy for me since it immediately lined up with my natural way of thinking of things. Want me to create an elaborate mental model and sort and categorize various items within that model? Sounds like a great time – please sign me up immediately.

(I’m also good at sorting recycling and knowing the various rules about what can and can’t be recycled.)

I recently re-read Getting Things Done as part of my obligations for a book club that includes my business partners at South Loop Strength & Conditioning, and I realized I had gotten sloppy with a few key areas and I had simply failed to implement others.

Also, my life as a business owner has put me in a situation where I will always have a never-ending to-do list – which is a totally different psychological space than a person working a part-time job and spending a lot of time working on music (which was my life situation when I first read the book).

I put together a nice little cast laying out some of my biggest takeaways from my re-read of the book – which was probably one of the best and most well-timed re-reads of my life.

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Show Notes

  • [0:50] The purpose of to-do lists: Don’t forget stuff and prioritize the stuff that you have written down. Most people think they’ll remember (they won’t) or they have endless, unprioritized lists that are numbing to look at.
  • [4:11] Effectiveness, prioritization, and efficiency – These are all different but are all key to long-term success and completion of projects
  • [5:52] At some point in my life, I had more to do at any given time than I could ever realistically accomplish. This leaves me with a constant sense of unease, but I’m getting better.
  • [9:36] One of David Allen’s most crucial insights is thinking of tasks as “next actions” rather than nebulous projects like “dentist” or “redesign website”
  • [15:35] Capturing tasks vs Processing tasks vs Prioritizing tasks vs Executing tasks (All are slightly different and all require different mental states and amounts of cognitive energy)
  • [21:25] The necessity of creating a frictionless inbox for capturing tasks – without having to categorize them at the same time
  • [23:01] The necessity of creating completable projects (ie “redesign layout of workout of the day blog posts”) vs amorphous categories (“Legion website redesign”)
  • [25:38] Protect your calendar and your daily to-do list. Don’t allow everything you might “like to do” to end up cluttering your list of “must dos” for a given day.
  • [28:53] Don’t just “buckle down” or “try harder” – learn how your psychology works and set yourself up for success

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Misbah Haque of The Airborne Mind

I messed up a colloquialism and I’m embarrassed.

In this interview with Misbah Haque – who runs a really great podcast called The Airborne Mind – I said that we were podcasters passing like trains in the night.

Any edit who knows their Longfellow knows that it’s “ships that pass in the night.

But, instead of deleting this episode, deleting my website, and closing my gym due to shame and regret, I’ve got a nice episode of the podcast for you.

Misbah and I discuss being overly analytical and potentially socially awkward, the process of connecting with influencers even when you have “nothing to offer,” and creating narrative and story through interviews and conversations.

Even for those folks who aren’t playing the podcasting game, Misbah offers some really actionable and insightful tips based upon his own story. Over the course of a just over a year, he went from being a guy in Philadelphia who had the idea of starting a podcast – to moving across the country to intern at one of the most well-known CrossFit gyms in the world (Invictus) and working as a coach with multiple-time CrossFit Games athlete Marcus Filly.

How did Misbah connect with these influencers without being needy or leeching value from them? How was he able to help them – which in turn led them to help him?

Let’s find out!

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Recommended episodes of The Airborne Mind

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Show Notes

  • [1:51] Deciding to start a podcast and jumping in before being totally prepared
  • [7:32] How Misbah went from being a random guy in Philly with a blog and a podcast to interning at Invictus – and how he connected with so many influencers in the fitness industry
  • [17:51] Reaching out to potential guests for the podcast – and positioning your “ask” even when you had “nothing to offer”
  • [24:08] A back injury that cause Misbah to re-examine his purpose in fitness – and how he burned himself out with too many spin classes and bootcamp classes
  • [29:53] The process for researching guests, understanding their story, and creating a narrative arc for listeners through character development and the hero’s journey
  • [40:53] Balancing what an audience wants to hear with your own curiosity as an interviewer and a participant in the conversation
  • [50:15] On being more vulnerable in content creation: share yourself and your journey even if it seems boring or obvious to you
  • [59:10] The individual coaching process at Revival Strength – including an extreme devotion to coaching development and discussion of best practices
  • [1:07:46] How to find out more about Misbah and The Airborne Mind – and the launch of the online course “The Art of Connection through Questions”

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Stefanie Cohen of Hybrid Performance Method

My first memory of Stefi is her asking me after a CrossFit class what she needed to do to get a muscle-up – and being obviously and almost uncomfortably intense about her desire to get on top of a set of rings.

It seems that this extreme internal drive for success has served her well, as she is now setting world records in powerlifting.

Stefi used to coach weightlifting at SLSC during some of the dark times when there were basically no members and there was a giant bulldozer in the gym. We had fun, though.

Stefi is currently pursuing a doctorate in physical therapy at the University of Miami, and is back in Chicago doing some clinical rotations. So, her understanding of training isn’t colored simply by powerlifting – she has backgrounds in a wide variety of sports (including soccer at the national team level in Venezuela) and rehab.

In this conversation, we discuss screaming at walls as a childhood Scientologist, autoregulation in training, and holding onto perceived slights to motivate yourself in training.

Oh yeah, and here’s that video of Stefi’s 525 pound deadlift.

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Show Notes

  • [1:45] On dealing with negative internet comments and having a thick skin: “I’m a fucking dinosaur”
  • [5:52] Approaching athletic endeavors with an intense mindset while simultaneously understanding the process of long-term progression – including working on getting a muscle-up when starting CrossFit and being benched for years on the Venezuelan national soccer team
  • [9:30] Balancing long-term progression with the desire for immediate results in training. The use of autoregulation in programming to allow flexibility in the design of training. Getting injured and being force to re-evaluate training methods and mindsets.
  • [15:52] Deadlifts and L. Ron Hubbard. The benefits and learnings from screaming at walls as a childhood Scientologist.
  • [22:43] Paddling to America from Venezuela in a canoe. Competitiveness and background in sports like soccer, distance running, CrossFit and weightlifting – and a future in archery.
  • [26:00] “Are you more competitive with yourself or with other people?” How to find internal motivation from perceived slights.
  • [29:30] Strange messages from fans on Instagram – including stomping on small pets and study lessons from L. Ron Hubbard
  • [32:15] Physical therapy clinical rotations: How to provide effective treatment while overwhelmed with patients.
  • [34:25] Integrating principles from training and coaching into a rehab setting. Balancing the expectations and policies of a clinic with individualization of treatment and the desire to utilize unconventional methods. Utilizing different movement patterns and planes of motion to rehab individuals who have overdeveloped certain skills.
  • [44:20] How did Hybrid Performance Method start? Plus, the real economics of running a brick and mortar gym.
  • [53:24] How does Hybrid Performance Method online coaching work? What different programs and options are there?
  • [55:34] In-season and off-season training protocols for powerlifters and other strength sport athletes. The benefits of training outside of sport specific application and how to structure this in a yearly template. Prioritizing meets and doing some meets as “training” rather than “competition.”

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Dylan Walker from Full of Hell

I first met Dylan at a show that I was booking probably back in 2011.

Just checked my e-mail, and yes – it was 2011. And Dylan was weirdly e-mailing me from Spencer’s e-mail address. Have some boundaries, guys.

As a supporter of the DIY punk, hardcore, and metal scenes, I facilitated a subcultural event that involved doing a workout, playing extreme music, and feeding an apparently malnourished group of youths in Full of Hell some sort of enjoyable scramble of treats.

Since then, Full of Hell has gone on to become a force of nature. They blend grindcore, powerviolence, power electronics, and death metal in a totally cohesive (aka not post-modern jumbled mess) layered mess of aggression.

Full of Hell is an insane live band. Please observe:

And, if you favor such sounds, please also listen to their most recent album Trumpeting Ecstasy. I think it’s really wonderful.

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Show Notes

  • [2:30] Mrs. Doubtfire
  • [5:45] Traumatizing family pranks and recurring nightmares
  • [10:00] Folklore and archetypal stories – and their relationship to evolved instincts
  • [18:57] How Dylan got into extreme music – including punk parents and friends at school
  • [23:12] First meeting Spencer and Full of Hell
  • [30:19] In-group signaling behavior amongst extreme music subgenre fanatics
  • [34:00] Full of Hell’s collaboration record with Merzbow
  • [38:02] Gateway bands and introducing fans to your own taste
  • [46:10] Regroup to discuss meeting Spencer and creating the current Full of Hell line-up
  • [50:22] Full of Hell’s first tour – including show in Chicago with Like Rats and a CrossFit workout
  • [53:25] Full of Hell’s creative vision: The harshness of the world and the coldness of human beings –
    and the weight of all suffering
  • [1:02:32] Writing lyrics, writing vocal patterns, and making them a cohesive and integral part of the music
  • [1:10:00] Stories from touring with Immolation and the Cavaleras
  • [1:21:30] The creative process for the upcoming collaboration record with The Body

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